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Watch "Dyshi" only on Okko: https://bit.ly/47hIbps Get a 30-day subscription for 1₽ with promo code "DYSHI." Watch the episode on VKontakte: https://vk.com/video-227060346_456239230 My guest is Elena Stanislavovna Vavilova – a retired colonel in the Foreign Intelligence Service, an illegal spy, a writer, a public figure, and a lecturer. She was recruited at 19. She married and, together with her husband, moved to Canada under an assumed name, and later to the United States. Their life and service lasted for over 20 years. Until one day, the FBI knocked on the door. She and her husband were arrested, and their children learned for the first time that their parents were Russian intelligence officers. This interview is about life undercover, about the goal that justified everything. About how to regain children's trust and how to return to your home country decades later. Watch with your heart; the comments, as always, are open to your feedback. Elena Vavilova's Telegram channel: https://t.me/andrewbezrukovspeeches Olga Chebykina's Telegram channel: https://t.me/+CwIWaK6alW8yOThi Timecodes: 00:00 In this episode 01:58 "The psyche is capable of adapting to any conditions" 06:51 How does illegal intelligence work? 13:22 Recruited at 19. How did Elena become a spy? 18:18 How to work on your reputation? 21:34 "Working for the country outweighed personal matters" 24:18 In difficult times, the question "What's next?" helps. 27:26 A spy must have a family 30:34 There could have been a listening device in the room. About the rejection of Russian 33:05 How did the preparation for emigration take place? 35:47 Lie or legend. What's the difference? 40:25 The hardest thing is receiving news of the death of relatives 48:04 Was it necessary to coordinate the birth of children? 50:19 Exposure. How the children learned the truth 52:42 Betrayal On the threat of 35 years in prison 57:42 On moving to Russia 01:06:32 "You can't be Russian" 01:09:44 "A person feels better when they're passionate" 01:20:51 "I had to justify my choice" *** Thanks to the sponsors of this episode: TULUPOV Jewelry: https://tulupovv.com/?erid=2SDnjdxCfEN Social media for the "Not Accepted to Discuss" project: Yandex.Zen: https://dzen.ru/neprinyato?share_to=link VK: https://vk.com/neprinyatoo Olga Chebykina's Instagram*: olga_chebykina_ /   / olga_chebykina_   *Belongs to Meta, a company recognized in Russia extremist organization. #notacceptedtodiscuss #interview #chebykina #intelligence #russianspy