Both with Eva Natanya

📚Eva Natanya, a former New York City Ballet dancer turned Buddhist scholar and Catholic contemplative, joins Religion to Reality to talk about what it actually means to live as both a practicing Catholic and a Tibetan Buddhist. Hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich dig into emptiness (śūnyatā), the resurrection, fear, authenticity, and why Eva refuses to call herself "hyphenated." One of the most theologically rich conversations of the season, give yourself room to sit with it. Eva Natanya, PhD, is co-founder, vice president, and resident teacher at the Center for Contemplative Research in Crestone, Colorado. A scholar of Indian and Tibetan Buddhism, Christian theology, and comparative religion, she co-authored Living Resurrected Lives with her mother, Veronica Mary Rolf, and has collaborated with Dr. B. Alan Wallace on multiple translations of Tibetan Buddhist texts. Timestamps 00:00 Cold open 01:30 Episode intro & Eva's bio 03:30 How Eva and Fr. John met 05:00 Co-writing Living Resurrected Lives with her mother 09:00 Eva's path into Buddhism, ballet, Zen, Teilhard de Chardin 13:00 What if Christianity had developed in a different culture? 18:00 Becoming an "insider" within Buddhism 19:00 Richard Rohr, second-half-of-life spirituality, and outgrowing the container 26:00 The fear of "coloring outside the lines" as a Catholic 28:30 Why Tibetan Buddhism's rigor resolved Eva's question of "justification" 42:00 Unpacking emptiness (śūnyatā) and the Madhyamaka middle way 49:00 Doctrine as "provisional but precious" 52:00 Guru yoga, analytical meditation, and parallels to confession 59:00 What Eva's work on the resurrection actually claims 1:11:00 The Center for Contemplative Research Links & Resources 🔗 Center for Contemplative Research: https://centerforcontemplativeresearc... 🔗 Show notes & full transcript: https://religiontoreality.org 🔗 Join our free monthly interfaith gathering: https://religiontoreality.substack.com 📚 Living Resurrected Lives — Eva Natanya & Veronica Mary Rolf 📚 Suddenly There Is God — Veronica Mary Rolf 📚 Open Mind: View and Meditation on the Lineage of Lerab Lingpa — trans. B. Alan Wallace, edited by Eva Natanya 📚Fathoming the Mind: Inquiry and Insight in Dudjom Lingpa’s Vajra Essence — trans. B. Alan Wallace, edited by Eva Natanya