How to Solve the Metacrisis--with Jordan Hall

In this episode of the Coherent Business Podcast, host Aram DiGennaro sits down with Jordan Hall, co-founder of DivX, longtime systems thinker, and a central figure behind concepts like Game B, the Neurohacker Collective, and the "metacrisis." The conversation traces Jordan's own journey: starting from the realization that humanity's collective intelligence may be inadequate to face its interlocking crises, and moving through years of work trying to design, and eventually live inside, a coherent response. Jordan and Aram unpack the idea of the metacrisis — not a single problem but a tangle of collapsing systems (institutional trust, governance, media, geopolitics) that amplify each other, meaning solutions have to reckon with the whole tangle at once, not one crisis at a time. From there the conversation moves into surprising territory: the limits of AI and information-based solutions, the difference between a "hive mind" and genuine coherence, and why Jordan came to believe that solving problems at this scale requires going beyond modernity's mind/matter framework entirely — into questions of spirit, egregores, and collective consciousness. They also explore why corporations and universities, however sophisticated, can't produce the kind of broad, whole-human coherence the metacrisis demands, and what it might take instead. Key Topics: the metacrisis and interlocking civilizational crises, the limits of AI/LLMs as tools for meaning-making, phenomenology vs. epistemology (East vs. West), coherence vs. hive-mind coordination, egregores and collective consciousness, why corporations and universities can't solve the metacrisis alone. Resources: Jordan's Links: Linkedin:   / jordangreenhall   Youtube:    / @jordangreenhall   Aram's Links: Linkedin:   / aram-digennaro   Coherent Business Project Website: https://coherentbusinessproject.com/ — For leaders, thinkers, and builders who believe business can be more than just efficient — it can be whole, human, and meaningful.