Former NSA Chief & Second Commander of the US Cyber Command On What's Next For Cyber Warfare

Admiral Mike Rogers and Alastair MacGibbon warn Australia's cyber resilience is dangerously inadequate, recorded live at Atmos SPHERE 2026. While recent years have seen progress in government-industry collaboration and legislation, hyper-efficiency and global supply chain dependency have eroded societal resilience. Recent attacks on individual companies (not entire sectors) have already produced GDP-level impacts through supply chain effects, signaling what a broader systemic attack could achieve. Admiral Mike Rogers, Global Advisory Board at CyberCX, and Alastair MacGibbon, Independent Security Advisor, argue that current cybersecurity approaches are failing: despite increased investment and information sharing, threats are worsening. Key takeaways: Why increased investment and information sharing haven't slowed the threat The shift from perimeter defence to resilience against inevitable disruption What Australia can learn from Israel and Ukraine's approach to national resilience Rogers' case for an aviation-style mandatory learning and correction framework Why political will for resilience may only arrive after a major crisis ⏱️ Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:22 The real risk: disruption plus panic 0:50 The cyber triangle: why availability matters more than confidentiality 2:14 How downstream chaos unravels fast 2:52 Narrow but deep: Jaguar, M&S and GDP-level impacts 5:01 Why Australia's "resilient" self-image is a myth 6:12 Israel's model for living with disruption 7:48 Cyclones vs cyber: why we're not ready for no-notice events 9:19 Hyper-dependence on a less predictable virtual world 10:04 The digital sovereignty debate 12:47 Do we need more crises to build resilience? 14:52 What Australia is getting right 17:09 The aviation model: learning from every near miss 19:22 Are we desensitized to data breaches? 21:58 Out of sight, out of mind: data loss vs physical disruption 22:53 Does society need to suffer before it changes? 24:33 Ukraine, resilience, and the cost nobody wants to pay 26:01 Closing takeaways: China, infrastructure and what's next 🎧 Watch the full conversation from Atmos SPHERE 2026 above, and subscribe to @kbi_media for more. #CyberSecurity #CyberResilience #AtmosSphere2026 #NationalSecurity #KBIMedia