Mike Wilson: The Street’s Favorite ‘Permabear’ Is Feeling Bullish

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami welcome Morgan Stanley’s Chief U.S. Equity Strategist Mike Wilson back to the Risk Reversal Podcast to discuss his career at the firm and his current market outlook. Wilson argues markets have largely priced in bad news and likely put in the year’s lows near the 6,500 range, citing capitulation signals, positioning, and sentiment, though geopolitical risk from the Iran conflict remains. He sees earnings strength and broadening beyond the “Mag Seven,” with opportunities in small caps, consumer discretionary, financials, and industrials, while noting AI-driven hyperscalers became cheaper and can still work. Key risks include bond volatility and a loss of control of long-end rates amid heavy refinancing needs and a Fed leadership transition. They also cover AI CapEx returns, energy constraints, U.S.-China competition, private credit’s limited systemic threat, consumer affordability issues, and Wilson’s 7,800 S&P 500 target within 9 to 12 months. Timecodes 0:00 - Welcome Mike Wilson 03:25 - Market Lows Call 12:50 - AI CapEx Arms Race 18:00 - AI Jobs and Economy 27:30 - Consumer Health and Wages 37:50 - S&P Target and AI Margins 40:00 - What Could Break the Rally FactSet Earnings Insight: https://insight.factset.com/topic/ear... China’s surging chip tool imports from south-east Asia: https://www.ft.com/content/708c0fe1-f... — FOLLOW US Instagram:   / riskreversalmedia   Twitter: https://x.com/riskreversal LinkedIn:   / riskreversalmedia   #investing #stocks #stockmarket The financial opinions expressed in Risk Reversal content are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on Risk Reversal. Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose. Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.