Former NAR Insiders Expose the System From the Inside | Podcast Episode 625

John talks with Vincent and Judith Desjardins about their journey through the Jesus Movement, shepherding structures, Word of Faith circles, prophetic networks, and later New Apostolic Reformation influences. They describe how end-times excitement, promises of spiritual significance, and teachings on authority drew them into controlling ministries that reshaped family life, church culture, and their understanding of Christian faith. Together they explore themes including fear-based leadership, healing culture, platform-building, prophetic celebrity, Brian Simmons, Lance Wallnau, Lou Engle, Todd Bentley, and the recurring pattern of rebranded revival movements. The conversation also examines how charisma, ambition, and extra-biblical claims can flourish where there is little accountability, while offering encouragement to listeners processing similar experiences. 00:00 Introduction 01:28 End-Times Prophecy, The Late Great Planet Earth, And The Jesus People Era 06:31 The First Prophetic Word And The Church Of Submission 13:00 Autism, Heavy-Handed Discipline, And Spiritual Blame 18:18 Polygamy, Branhamism, And A Troubling Church Scandal 21:19 Word Of Faith, Church Businesses, And The PTL Dream 27:25 Religious Pyramid Schemes And Financial Abuse 29:12 Adultery, Cover-Up Culture, And A Church Collapse 35:17 Recovery Churches, Inner Healing, And Lance Wallnau 40:18 Bill Hamon, Joel's Army, And The Nameless Faceless Generation 41:41 Lou Engle, Bob Jones, Stadium Events, And The Billion Soul Harvest 43:21 Brian Simmons, The Passion Translation, And False Credentials 49:02 Brian Simmons, Manifest Sons Of God, And The Return Of Christ 51:44 Todd Bentley, Congo, Healing Claims, And Crowd Manipulation 55:01 Mind Control, Critical Thinking, And Finding Freedom 57:38 Closing Reflections And Future Topics ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel:   / branham   – Subscribe to the channel:    / @leavingthemessage   – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook:   / williambranhamorg   – Follow on TikTok:   / william.m.branham   – Follow on Twitter:   / wmbhr   – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books