Origen on Praying to Saints: FINAL Response to Joe Heschmeyer

In this video I respond to Joe Heschmeyer on whether Origen affirmed praying to the saints. See Jeremy Treat's excellent book on the atonement: https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Intr... See My Apologies' comments on the debate:    • Prayer to the Saints - Is it in Origen? | ...   My initial video on praying to the saints:    • Praying to the Saints: A Protestant Critique   Joe's first rebuttal:    • Does Devotion to Mary Draw Us Away from Je...   Joe's second rebuttal:    • Debunking the "Pagan" Roots of Marian Devo...   My Response to Joe:    • Praying to the Saints? No, Origen is NOT F...   Joe's Rejoinder:    • Why Origen Believed in Intercessory Prayer...   Truth Unites exists to promote gospel assurance through theological depth. Gavin Ortlund (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ojai. SUPPORT: Become a patron:   / truthunites   One time donation: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/truth... FOLLOW: Twitter:   / gavinortlund   Facebook:   / truthunitespage   Website: https://gavinortlund.com/ MY ACADEMIC WORK: https://gavinortlund.com/mypublications/ PODCAST: https://anchor.fm/truth-unites DISCORD SERVER ON PROTESTANTISM Striving Side By Side:   / discord   CHECK OUT SOME BOOKS: https://www.amazon.com/Makes-Sense-Wo... https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Re... https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Right-... https://www.amazon.com/Retrieving-Aug... 00:00 Introduction 01:19 Framing the Disagreement 04:52 (1) Prayers FOR US vs Prayers TO THEM 13:09 (2) The Four Kinds of Prayer 31:32 (3) Earthly vs. Heavenly Communication 36:14 Concerns of Misrepresentation