17 John Honold & Tom Wymore | Being and Making Disciples

Most of us talk about disciple-making. Fewer of us have actually done it across forty years, four church plants, and multiple cultures. In this episode, Andrew sits down with John Honold and Tom Wymore — two longtime practitioners behind the book Be. Go. Make. Disciples: The Jesus Way — to talk honestly about what it really takes to make disciples who make disciples. John is a pastor in Hawaii out of the Hope Chapel / Ralph Moore lineage who, at 65, is planting again. Tom is a theologian, editor, and self-described "papa" with a heart for intimacy with the Father. Together they unpack what came out of the Issachar Symposium — a gathering of disciple-makers from Hawaii to Japan — and what it looks like to trade an over-programmed, under-discipled church for something simpler, slower, and more reproducible. If you're planting, pastoring, or just tired of doing church busy instead of doing church deep, this one's for you. In this episode: — Why the church in North America is over-programmed and under-discipled — Disciple-making as the transfer of heart, not just the transfer of information — "Learn the Bible in church. Live the Bible in mini church." — Planting a church at 65 by giving everything away — The power of three: why every leader needs a Peter, James, and John — Obedience rooted in loving a God who is good — not fear — How storytelling shapes the kind of disciples we make FREE EBOOK: Download Phil Claycomb's chapter from Be. Go. Make. Disciples https://www.nexus.us/resources Purchase "Be. Go. Make. Disciples" on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Be-Go-Make-Dis... Chapters: 0:00 Welcome 1:11 Meet John Honold — 42 years, Hope Chapel, and a new plant at 65 3:04 Meet Tom Wymore — theologian, papa's heart, and "herding cats" 5:08 Tom's story: from Johnson University to disciple-making 9:53 Where the Issachar Symposium came from (Ralph Moore & 1 Chronicles 12:32) 12:21 Hawaii 2023: writing Be. Go. Make. Disciples 15:00 The second book: "What is the Spirit saying to the church?" 18:37 Fumi's "diesel gospel" and cross-cultural disciple-making 20:31 What stood out: the supernatural, Hawaiian legacy, the power of three 24:56 Tom on Phil's chapter and the discipleship gospel 28:45 John's chapter: intimacy with the Father and the power of three 34:23 Over-programmed and under-discipled: what's actually working 37:04 Life-on-life: simplifying Neil Cole's groups 39:13 Planting at 65: raising executive leaders 46:09 What size group actually disciples people? 48:46 "Learn the Bible in church, live the Bible in mini church" 52:53 Why storytelling shapes the disciples we make 56:35 One thing to hold onto: intimacy with Abba Resources mentioned: — Be. Go. Make. Disciples: The Jesus Way (Wymore, Honold, Hsi, Claycomb, Nakanishi, Chito, Makuakāne) — Ralph Moore & the Hope Chapel movement — Neil Cole, Organic Church / Life Transformation Groups — Dallas Willard — Bill Hull, Conversion & Discipleship — 1 Chronicles 12:32 (the sons of Issachar) Subscribe for more conversations with church planters and ministry leaders. New episodes drop regularly — follow the show, and if this helped you, share it with a fellow planter. The Nexus Church Planting Podcast is a ministry of Nexus Church Planting & Leader Care. Learn more at http://nexus.us. Keywords: disciple making, making disciples who make disciples, church planting, life on life discipleship, Issachar Symposium, Hope Chapel, Ralph Moore, intimacy with God, mini church, church multiplication, spiritual formation, Tom Wymore, John Honold, Nexus Church Planting, bivocational ministry, organic church, Neil Cole, disciple making movements