Episode 505: How To Move Beyond Small Talk

Most people say they want deeper relationships and more meaningful connection, yet many conversations stay stuck at the surface level. We talk about work, schedules, the weather, or whatever else feels safe. So why is it so hard to move beyond small talk? In this episode, we’re exploring the science of meaningful conversation, from curiosity and attention to vulnerability, flirting, and emotional openness. I am joined once again by Nicholas Epley (https://www.nicholasepley.com/) , the John Templeton Keller Distinguished Service Professor of Behavior Science, and Director of the Roman Family Center for Decision Research, at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. He is the author of Mindwise: How We Understand What Others Think, Believe, Feel, and Want (https://amzn.to/49hCHv9) . His latest book is A Little More Social: How Small Choices Create Unexpected Happiness, Health, and Connection. (https://amzn.to/49QIxUo) Some of the specific topics we explore in this episode include: • Why do so many conversations stay surface-level? • What kinds of questions foster closeness? • How do we balance vulnerability with oversharing? • Can people tell when they don’t fully have our attention? • What small conversational shifts create deeper connection? You can visit Nicholas’ website (https://www.nicholasepley.com/) to learn more about his work. Got a sex question? Send me a podcast voicemail to have it answered on a future episode at speakpipe.com/sexandpsychology. (http://speakpipe.com/sexandpsychology) *** Thank you to our sponsors!  Passionate about building a career in sexuality? Check out the Sexual Health Alliance. With SHA, you’ll connect with world-class experts and join an engaged community of sexuality professionals from around the world. Visit SexualHealthAlliance.com (http://sexualhealthalliance.com/) and start building the sexuality career of your dreams today.*** Want to learn more about Sex and Psychology? Click here  (https://www.sexandpsychology.com/blog/) for previous articles or follow the blog on Facebook (  / psychologyofsex  ) , Twitter (  / justinlehmiller  ) , or Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/justinlehmil...)  to receive updates. You can also follow Dr. Lehmiller on YouTube (   / @justinlehmiller  )  and Instagram (  / justinjlehmiller  ) . Listen and stream all episodes on Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...) , Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6DCIGjO...) , or Amazon (https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/136...) . Subscribe to automatically receive new episodes and please rate and review the podcast! Credits: Precision Podcasting (https://precisionpodcasting.com/) (Podcast editing) and Shutterstock/Florian (Music). Image created with Canva; photos used with permission of guest.