One man’s bold plan to defeat Trumpism

Can Democrats actually beat Donald Trump—and if so, how? Kara sits down with political strategist Ben Wikler, former chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party and author of This Is the Plan, to break down what Democrats need to do before the 2026 midterms and the 2028 presidential election. They discuss how Wikler helped defeat Elon Musk-backed candidates in Wisconsin, why he believes Democrats need a permanent organizing strategy instead of campaign-season politics, and why local races may matter more than Washington. They also debate the filibuster, Project 2025, Democratic infighting, election security, AI's role in concentrating wealth and power, and whether America's political system can still be repaired. 00:00 Ben Wikler's plan to save democracy 03:53 Why AI could create unprecedented wealth and power 05:42 How Elon Musk lost Wisconsin 14:29 The Democratic strategy for winning again 19:35 Can Democrats overcome their internal divisions? 29:22 Why Ben Wikler wants to end the filibuster 39:30 What Democrats should do if they win in 2028 45:27 Trump's election strategy and the 2026 midterms 51:33 What Wikler would do as DNC chair Subscribe: https://goo.gl/FRleYo Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/42ntT7X... FOLLOW US Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/onwithkaras... TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@onwithkaraswi... LinkedIn:   / kara-swisher-b7213   Threads: https://www.threads.com/@onwithkarasw... Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/onwithkarasw...