Chris McCormack: How I Got Inside Their Heads | The Dark Art of Winning

In this episode of Going Mental, Jan Frodeno sits down with one of triathlon’s most iconic and polarizing figures: Chris “Macca” McCormack — 2x Ironman World Champion, 6x Triathlete of the Year, and one of the sport’s greatest storytellers. From the fierce Kona battles against Norman Stadler and Faris Al-Sultan to the psychological warfare, self-doubt and relentless determination that defined his career, Macca opens up like never before. Together, Jan and Macca explore the mindset behind elite performance, handling failure on the biggest stage and why the mental battle is often harder than the physical one. They also dive into athlete identity, retirement, fatherhood, entrepreneurship, and what happens when competitive obsession meets real life. This is a conversation about resilience, vulnerability and the mindset that turns champions into legends. Enjoy this episode! The Pod by Eight Sleep is a smart mattress cover. Optimize your recovery and wake up full of energy with Eight Sleep’s personalized temperature regulation, the secret to your deep sleep. Use code JANFRODENO at https://www.eightsleep.com/de/janfrod... to save up to €350 off your order. Produced by Podstars by OMR