Why War With China Is NOT Inevitable with U.S.-China Relations Expert Ali Wyne

When Trump called a meeting with Xi Jinping "the G-2," he may have admitted something Washington has spent years avoiding: China is no longer a rising challenger. It's a near-peer. Foreign-policy analyst Ali Wyne returns to Navigating Noise to unpack how that admission happened almost by accident, and what it means for the most consequential relationship of the century. Wyne, who works on U.S.–China at the International Crisis Group, makes a counterintuitive case: the goal between Washington and Beijing was never trust, and it shouldn't be. It should be empathy: a cold, dispassionate effort to understand an adversary you may never agree with. Along the way he and Jonathan Teubner dig into why young Americans are "China-maxing," why a generation of students has vanished from each other's countries, and why the popular story about China's all-seeing internet is mostly a bluff. In this episode: • Why Trump's "G-2" comment was an accidental concession, not a strategy • The difference between empathy and sympathy, and why it decides foreign policy • Why genuine U.S.–China trust would actually be a red flag • "China-maxing" and the sadness driving young Americans toward Beijing • How student exchanges collapsed from ~15,000 to under 2,000 • What the world gets wrong about dissent and censorship inside China • The college student's question that D.C. would dismiss and Wyne still can't answer Subscribe to Navigating Noise for more conversations on how the world's biggest decisions get made. Watch on YouTube, listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.