Love Over Dominance: John Fugelsang on the Future of Christianity

The number of people who have said, “Jen, you and John Fugelsang should have a conversation” is approximately one thousand. So naturally, we thought—let’s have that conversation where a million listeners can tune in and enjoy it too. Strap yourself in for a wild ride as Jen Hatmaker chats with the ever-entertaining comedian, actor, and broadcaster John Fugelsang, host of Tell Me Everything on SiriusXM Progress and The John Fugelsang Podcast. In this episode, they tackle the delightful chaos of breezy topics like Christian nationalism, the real teachings of Jesus (spoiler: it’s not about power), and why love trumps all—literally. With his signature blend of humor and razor-sharp insight, John dishes on his new book, Separation of Church and Hate, and why it’s time to take back the Bible from the fundamentalist fun police. It’s a conversation that’s as enlightening as a Sunday sermon—but way more fun. Whether you consider yourself religious, spiritual, atheist, or just allergic to hypocrisy, this episode will make you laugh, think, and maybe even reclaim a little hope for faith done right. Thought-Provoking Quotes: “I think the largest growing demographic we don't talk about is people who were raised religious but now consider themselves spiritual. They're not turned off to spirituality or God or Jesus or belief. They love the great mystery, but they're really turned off to the hypocrisies and the cruelties and the meanness of so many church communities in this country.” – John Fugelsang “I was raised to believe that Christianity was about the stuff that Christ taught and commanded: service to others, humility, love, acceptance, empathy, forgiving your enemies, turning the other cheek, replacing eye-for-an-eye. And the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 25, that individuals and nations are going to be judged by how they care for the poor, care for the sick, welcome the stranger, and care for the incarcerated. That's the stuff Jesus actually talked about.” – John Fugelsang “American Christians have been manipulated with all this homophobia, all this hatred of immigrants and none of that comes from Jesus—and it's been done by a political movement that is only about power. Conservative Christian power, not the teachings of Christ.” – John Fugelsang “If Jesus spoke in parable and metaphor, why is it so hard to view the Bible as parable and metaphor? We get so hung up on proving the facts of the Bible that we miss the truth of the Bible. And the Bible has a lot of truth. It does not have a lot of facts.” – John Fugelsang Resources Mentioned in This Episode: ➢ Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds by John Fugelsang - https://amzn.to/4husQF3 ➢ Tell Me Everything with John Fugelsang on SiriusXM - https://www.siriusxm.com/blog/tag/joh... John’s Links: Website - https://www.johnfugelsang.com/ Instagram -   / johnfugelsang   Twitter - https://x.com/JohnFugelsang Facebook -   / john.fugelsang.9   Youtube -    / @jjbirdsong1   Substack - https://johnfugelsang.substack.com/ Podcast - https://www.johnfugelsang.com/podcast Connect with Jen! Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram -   / jenhatmaker   Jen’s Twitter -   / jenhatmaker   Jen’s Facebook -   / jenhatmaker   Jen’s YouTube -    / jenhatmaker   The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.