Nate Hagens: "Episode 100 - The Great Simplification” | The Great Simplification #100

On this special 100th episode, Nate is interviewed by his friend and colleague in the metacrisis space, Kate Raworth. The conversation is a reflection on the past two years of podcasting – and how Nate’s worldview has evolved because of it. What fundamental concepts could help us better understand the trends happening around us and the potential futures they point to? With so many moving pieces, how can we begin to create a coherent story of the world around us and - even more difficult - start preparing responses to coming challenges? What should individuals aware of these converging crises be thinking about in order to prepare themselves, their families, and their communities for a materially smaller future? About Nate Hagens: Nate Hagens is the Executive Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF) an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians and systems thinkers, ISEOF assembles road-maps and off-ramps for how human societies can adapt to lower throughput lifestyles. Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He taught an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota. About Kate Raworth: Kate Raworth describes herself as a renegade economist focused on making economics fit for 21st century realities. She is the creator of the Doughnut of social and planetary boundaries, and co-founder of Doughnut Economics Action Lab, based on her best-selling book Doughnut Economics: 7 Ways to Think Like a 21st Century Economist. Kate is a Senior Associate at Oxford University’s Environmental Change Institute, where she teaches on the Masters in Environmental Change and Management. She is also Professor of Practice at Amsterdam University of Applied Sciences. She is a member of the Club of Rome and currently serves on the World Health Organisation Council on the Economics of Health for All. For Show Notes and More visit: https://www.thegreatsimplification.co... 00:00 - Introduction 02:13 - Guest Introduction 05:10 - Energy blindness 07:01 - Carbon pulse 08:26 - Economic Superorganism 10:52 - Mordor economy 13:38 - Can’t we develop new technology to lower the energy used to acquire fossil carbons? 16:20 - Metacrisis 18:23 - Four horsemen 23:05 - The Great Simplification 26:32 - Kate’s studio 28:07 - Nate’s story 36:23 - Big changes Nate has made 46:18 - Is the Superorganism beyond control? “Are we hardwired to get it wrong” as Sapolsky said in his episode? 51:54 - Isn’t there a resistance movement to continual energy growth? 55:51 - Will we bend or break? 1:05:20 - What could we do to bend? 1:11:36 - Has Nate interviewed anyone who has focused on civil disobedience? 1:13:09 - How could we bend the financial system? 1:18:39 - Modern monetary theory 1:25:28 - Education and the power of teaching 1:30:00 - How can we describe the future? 1:34:36 - How can we bend by changing policymaking? 1:38:27 - Is there anything that people are already doing to bend? 1:41:18 - Nate’s impact on people’s sense of what’s possible 1:44:42 - Where might Nate be wrong? 1:47:59 - What might Nate, as a white U.S. citizen, not see in the overall issue due to his background? 1:51:45 - What would be a practical response to the metacrisis for people? 1:56:35 - What are Nate’s recommendations for young humans? 1:58:30 - How can listeners reshape the way they think in order to face the future? 1:59:47 - What does Nate care about the most? 2:01:15 - What does Nate most worry about in the next decade? 2:02:36 - What does Nate most hope for in the next decade 2:03:42 - Nate’s magic wand 2:05:22 - What topic would Nate deep dive into for six months? 2:06:34 - Closing thoughts #thegreatsimplification #natehagens #kateraworth #degrowth