Ep 22. In conversation with Steven Hill

Former Research England Director Steven Hill joins What the REF?! for a wide-ranging conversation on the past, present and future of UK research assessment. From the evolution of REF and the rise of impact, to research culture, open access and the role of policy in driving change, Steven reflects on nearly two decades at the heart of the research system. He tackles common REF myths, explains why assessment still matters, and discusses the challenges facing not-traditionally submitted research outputs and hidden research roles. Plus, he shares what is next as he moves to Digital Science and a new chapter in research innovation. Our hosts are all members of the Hidden REF committee based at the universities of Southampton and Bristol: Gemma Derrick - a self-confessed REF junkie - and Simon Hettrick.Our producer is Ben Thomas.