BONUS: Podcasters Unite! Thinking about systemic change with Tim Logan, Nathalie Nahai and Amit Paul

How do we think about systemic change? Specifically, how do four podcasters who spend their entire lives thinking about this think about systemic change - what it is and how we get there? Tim Logan of Future Learning Design podcast convened a conversation with Nathalie Nahai of her eponymous In Conversation podcast, Amit Paul of the World of Wisdom podcast. So you can know them better, Amit Paul is a former popstar and CEO of green chemicals company Paxymer AB turned systems dancer. No, he's co-founder of Innrwrks and host of World of Wisdom podcast, exploring how business can create a future we want for our kids. Amit hosts explorative conversations, facilitates group work and advices and supports companies navigating the current ecological, social and technological paradigm shifts. Nathalie Nahai is an author, keynote speaker and host of the Nathalie Nahai in Conversation podcast enquires into our relationship with one another, with technology and with the living world. She’s author of the international best-sellers Webs Of Influence: The Psychology of Online Persuasion and, more recently, Business Unusual: Values, Uncertainty and the Psychology of Brand Resilience which has been described as “One of the defining business books of our times”. She’s a consultant, artist and the founder of Flourishing Futures Salon, a project that offers curated gastronomical gatherings that explore how we can thrive in times of turbulence and change. Tim Logan is an education leader, connector and facilitator. Bringing his extensive learning from a global career in youth work, teaching, school leadership and consultancy, Tim has worked with prominent clients around the world to develop new and innovative approaches to learning, well-being and youth engagement. Most recently, on behalf of International Baccalaureate, Tim co-created Festival of Hope with Jennifer Bahrami, which is growing as part of a broader portfolio of IB youth initiatives. Tim is also host/producer of the Future Learning Design podcast. And together, we are Podcasters United, at least for this episode - exploring systems change, what it means and how we can bring it about at scale and in time. Enjoy! 00:00 Meet the Podcast Hosts 02:58 Questions Getting Bigger 04:34 Manda on Systems to Agency 06:10 Amit on Ontology and Action 08:24 Tim on Youth Voices 10:24 Does Feedback Shape Guests 15:35 Natalie on Core Inquiry 21:39 From Fixing to Being 26:48 Manda on Grounding and Inner Work 31:29 Amit on Always Already Systems 34:58 Podcasts as Practice 37:00 Nonseparation in Grief 38:34 Presence and Intention 41:29 Privilege and Lived Reality 44:46 Reform or System Shift 47:18 Paradox and Not Knowing 51:22 Singing in Boardrooms 53:59 Embodied Practice Lessons 57:52 Longing for Devotion 59:59 Connection at Scale 01:04:37 Portable Sacred Moments 01:07:06 Closing Thanks