The Hoax That Should Have Fooled Joseph Smith

Did Joseph Smith try to translate a known hoax? In 1843, forged brass plates dug from a burial mound near Kinderhook, Illinois were rushed to Nauvoo, and critics have used the story ever since as proof that Joseph Smith was a fraud. But the documented history tells a very different story — one most members (and most critics) have never heard. In this episode, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot break down what really happened when the Kinderhook Plates came to town: who forged them and why, how the "discovery" was staged, and what Joseph Smith actually did when he examined them. Drawing on research by Mark Ashurst-McGee and Don Bradley, they show how the famous William Clayton journal entry ("President Joseph has translated a portion...") traces back to a single character compared against the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar — a scholarly exercise using the study tools available to him, not a revelation. No seer stone. No Urim and Thummim. No Book of Kinderhook. The trap never sprang shut, and what Joseph Smith didn't do may be the most compelling evidence of his sincerity as a prophet and translator. In this episode: What were the Kinderhook Plates, and who made them? The forgers' real motive (it wasn't what you think) Why the Saints — and the national press — took the plates seriously What Joseph Smith asked for when he first saw them The single character behind William Clayton's "translation" entry Does any of this implicate the Book of Abraham? (No — here's why) Why no revelation ever came, and what Mosiah 8 says about translating records "of ancient date" How the Church itself helped expose the hoax in 1981 Kinderhook's staged witnesses vs. the Book of Mormon witnesses Chapters: 0:00 What are the Kinderhook Plates? 2:02 The hoax & is motivation 6:00 Why the Saints believed the hoax? 8:20 Joseph Smith’s reaction 13:00 Single character behind William Clayton’s “translation” entry 17:40 Joseph’s attempt to translate via secular means 23:03 The hoax failed 27:30 Prophetic fallibility 31:50 “Witnesses” & episode recap ===Informed Saints Credits=== Produced by The Ancient America Foundation Producer: Spencer Clark Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye Further reading: Mark Ashurst-McGee and Don Bradley, "President Joseph Has Translated a Portion: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates," in Producing Ancient Scripture (University of Utah Press, 2020) Don Bradley and Mark Ashurst-McGee, "Joseph Smith and the Kinderhook Plates," in A Reason for Faith: Navigating LDS Doctrine and Church History (BYU Religious Studies Center, 2016) Stanley B. Kimball, "Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax," Ensign, August 1981 Richard Lyman Bushman, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (2005) https://rsc.byu.edu/reason-faith/kind... https://scripturecentral.org/knowhy/w... https://mormonr.org/qnas/a9l1T/the_ki... https://archive.org/details/EnsignAug... https://bhroberts.org/records/0yAxfr-... https://bhroberts.org/records/0yAxfr-... https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital... https://bhroberts.org/records/0yAxfr-... https://bhroberts.org/records/0yAxfr-... https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... https://bhroberts.org/records/0yAxfr-... https://bhroberts.org/records/0yAxfr-... Subscribe for more episodes where we take the hardest questions about Latter-day Saint history and scripture seriously — because you can study deeply and believe boldly. ===Discover=== If any of our thoughts resonated with you, consider learning more about the single most influential book in our lives. https://www.discoverbookofmormon.org/ ===Content Disclaimer=== The views expressed represent ours alone and do not necessarily reflect the official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. #KinderhookPlates #JosephSmith #BookOfMormon #LatterDaySaints #LDS #ChurchHistory #BookOfAbraham #MormonHistory #informedsaints