Mahatma Gandhi , विभाजन और आज़ादी, गांधी को क्यों मारा? Prof Mridula Mukherjee ने समझाया

In commemoration of the martyrdom of Mahatma Gandhi, who was assassinated on January 30, 1948, Saurabh Shukla of The Red Mike hosts an in-depth conversation with renowned historian and Professor Mridula Mukherjee. In an era where history is often filtered through social media narratives and polarized political lenses, this interview serves as a critical examination of Gandhi’s final years, his stance on Partition, and the ideologies that led to his assassination. 1. The Tragedy of Partition and Gandhi’s Absence from Celebrations Timestamps: [00:00] - [01:42] The interview opens with a poignant look at why Gandhi, the primary architect of India's independence, was not in Delhi to celebrate on August 15, 1947. Mukherjee explains that for Gandhi, independence was bittersweet because it came with the "communal monster" of Partition. He had famously stated that Partition would only happen "over his dead body." While the nation celebrated, he was in Noakhali and later Calcutta, dousing the flames of communal violence. Saurabh Shukla’s Quote: "अपना देश आज़ादी का जश्न मना रहा था, लेकिन गांधी उस सेलिब्रेशन में शामिल क्यों नहीं हुए? क्या यह उनकी अपनी हार थी या देश की त्रासदी?" Historian’s Soundbite: "गांधी जी ने तो यह कहा था कि पार्टीशन मेरे शरीर के ऊपर से होगा। जब आज़ादी आई, तो वह जश्न मनाने के बजाय दंगों की आग बुझा रहे थे।" 2. The Myths Surrounding the Assassination and the "₹55 Crores" Issue Timestamps: [01:42] - [03:19] A significant portion of the discussion addresses the right-wing propaganda that Gandhi was "pro-Pakistan." Mukherjee debunks the narrative that he was killed solely because of the release of ₹55 crores to Pakistan. Saurabh Shukla’s Quote: "गांधी के बारे में अक्सर WhatsApp यूनिवर्सिटी में ये भ्रम फैलाया जाता है कि उन्होंने पाकिस्तान को पैसे दिलाए, इसलिए उन्हें मारा गया। क्या वाकई यही सच है?" Historian’s Soundbite: "ये सारा आरएसएस का प्रोपेगेंडा था। गांधी जी तो पाकिस्तान जाकर वहां के हिंदुओं के लिए अनशन करना चाहते थे, लेकिन जिन्ना ने उन्हें इसकी अनुमति नहीं दी।" 3. Understanding the Ideology of the Assassin Timestamps: [03:19] - [04:39] Saurabh and Prof. Mukherjee discuss the timing and the motive behind Nathuram Godse’s actions. Mukherjee emphasizes that the assassination was not a sudden reaction to a single event but a result of a long-standing ideological conflict between inclusive secularism and exclusive communalism. She notes that the killers saw Gandhi as the biggest obstacle to their vision of a "Hindu Rashtra." Saurabh Shukla’s Quote: "30 जनवरी 1948 की शाम 5:17 बजे... बापू की छाती पर तीन गोलियां दाग दी गईं। आज के सामाजिक परिवेश में बापू को फिर से समझना और भी ज़रूरी हो गया है।" Historian’s Soundbite: "उन्हें लगता था कि गांधी ने देश और कांग्रेस का सबसे ज़्यादा नुकसान किया है। आज के दौर में जब आप 85% आबादी होकर भी मुस्लिम से खतरे की बात करते हैं, तब गांधी की ज़रूरत और बढ़ जाती है।" 4. Gandhi’s Universal Appeal: From J.R.D. Tata to the Common Man Timestamps: [01:04:16] - [01:05:13] In a touching segment, Mukherjee recounts her personal experiences interviewing people who had worked with Gandhi. She highlights his incredible ability to connect with diverse groups—from the wealthiest industrialists like J.R.D. Tata to the poorest villagers and British ICS officers' daughters. This "magic" of Gandhi lay in his absolute transparency and dedication to truth. Historian’s Soundbite: "गरीब से गरीब और जे.आर.डी. टाटा भी... गांधी में सबको कुछ न कुछ मिलता था। यह एक बहुत ही अचंभे की बात है।" Conclusion: The Immortality of Gandhian Thought Timestamps: [01:05:13] - [01:06:04] Saurabh Shukla concludes the interview by noting that while the physical body of Gandhi was destroyed in 1948, his teachings continue to provoke intense debate and admiration. He urges the younger generation to move beyond "passing remarks" on social media and actually read history. #mahatmagandhi #mahatmagandhispeech #nathuramgodse #historyfacts #profmridulamukherjee #independenceindia #historytalk #beforeindependence #gandhiji Join this channel to get access to perks:    / @theredmike.   The Red Mike is a new movement in centrist Journalism. We tell your stories. Ground reports the way they should be. To say what’s right, and not what is just popular. Stories from India & around the world that impact and affect you. Your Mike. Your Story. . For advertisement & Sponsorship Email us at - [email protected] WhatsApp Number: +91- 9821728111 . . . . रेड माइक पत्रकारिता में एक नया आंदोलन है। हम आपकी कहानियाँ सुनाते हैं। ग्राउंड रिपोर्ट वैसी ही जैसी होनी चाहिए. बात ऐसी जो सही हो, सिर्फ़ लोकप्रिय नहीं। भारत और दुनिया भर से कहानियाँ जो आपको प्रेरित और प्रभावित करती हैं। लाल माइक - आपका माइक, आपकी आवाज़। FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK : facebook.com/TheRedMike FOLLOW US ON TWITTER : x.com/theredmike FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM : instagram.com/theredmike FOLLOW US ON WHATSAPP : whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaGhJSNCxoB5Wfdedr0Z #TheRedMike #लालमाइक #laalmike