Why Business as Usual Is Over | Liza Tullidge

What if the real future of leadership is not just about strategy, scale, or efficiency—but about human flourishing? In this episode of Lead Human, Jack Myers and Tim Spengler sit down with Liza Tullidge Founder of NETĀ and host of the Human-Ing. podcast, for a conversation about ecosystem change, curiosity, joy, resilience, and building businesses that actually work for humans. Liza explains why “business as usual” no longer serves us, why she prefers to think in terms of ecosystem change rather than simple systems change, and why unlocking human potential starts with helping people define their own version of success. She shares how trust, mindset, and curiosity can shift boardrooms, why leaders need to become multilingual in the language of finance, risk, culture, and impact, and why compassionate directness matters more than polished corporate language. They also explore joy as a strategic force, how to live with greater intention, what resilient leaders do differently, and why the future belongs to those who can empower, elevate, and amplify others. Lead Human is hosted by Jack Myers & Tim Spengler, produced by Wondir Studios (Desta Wondirad), in association with Acast. 00:00 Intro – Jack introduces Liza Tullidge 01:34 Meet Liza in the London Acast studio 01:52 What “business as unusual” really means 02:31 Why our current systems are no longer working 03:41 Why human empowerment is the missing piece 04:55 So many people feel behind in their own lives 05:26 Why we need to define success for ourselves 06:24 Systems change vs ecosystem change 07:38 Why business systems are living, adaptive ecosystems 10:11 Why Liza starts with trust, mindset, and curiosity in boardrooms 11:46 The boardroom as a microcosm of company culture 12:34 Why leaders need to be multilingual 13:38 Translating sustainability and impact into business value 15:23 Selling ideas by understanding who you’re talking to 16:14 Curiosity, resilience, and checking your ego 17:30 Joy, tension, and truth in communication 18:57 Why joy matters more than we think 19:58 Chasing dopamine vs building a joyful life 20:25 Living legacy and your ripple effect 21:14 What resilient leaders do differently 22:25 Tenacity, hunger, and curiosity in great leaders 24:30 Why openness requires ego awareness 25:28 What Liza is building next 25:57 A new platform to get more women and diverse leaders into boardrooms 27:10 Why the course teaches the language of power 28:20 Jack’s takeaway: ecosystem change 29:27 Liza’s challenge: define your living legacy 30:18 Outro – Lead Human’s mission continues