From Church Stages to Theatre Stages | Gaz Dutlow & Jesse Dutlow S2 Ep10

Gaz and Jesse Dutlow went from leading worship on a megachurch stage to leading standing ovations in musical theatre across Australia. This conversation is about performance, faith, family, and finding the language for who you actually are. Gaz and Jesse are siblings who grew up leading worship together, were both eventually pushed out of leadership for being queer and non-binary, and rebuilt their lives as professional musical theatre performers. They talk candidly about the overlap between church performance and stage performance, the moment institutional “care” turned into exclusion, the last time Gaz led worship without knowing it would be the last time, and how they each separately found language for their non-binary identities — without telling each other until they compared notes. This episode also touches on scripture and gender ambiguity, conversations Gaz and Jesse have had with family members since coming out, and what they'd say to the queer kid currently sitting in church youth group, hiding. Trigger warning: this episode includes discussion of institutional exclusion connected to sexuality and gender identity, including references to child safeguarding allegations used to justify that exclusion. Chapters 00:00 — Welcome and acknowledgement of country 01:08 — Introducing Gaz & Jesse Dutlow 03:29 — “There's a performance element” — worship vs. theatre 10:52 — The question that started everything: why is it so amazing every time I lead worship? 14:33 — Bible college and institutional exclusion 17:36 — “There have been complaints about a gay agenda” 23:52 — Coming out, and being quietly pulled from the roster 31:00 — The final song: 10,000 Reasons 38:50 — Gender Queer, and discovering they'd both gone non-binary 53:08 — Trans representation in scripture 1:01:44 — What they'd say to queer kids in church right now Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so you never miss an episode. Subscribe on YouTube for full episodes + shorts. Where to find us Instagram: @queerfullymade TikTok: @queerfullymade Spotify: Queerfully Made YouTube: Queerfully Made #queerfullymade #lgbtqchristian #queerfaith #nonbinary #faithandsexuality #musicaltheatre