Performance vs. Formation: What's Really Underneath When the Mask Comes Off

Years of building walls to protect yourself can quietly start hurting the people you lead. In this episode, Clay Scroggins joins me to talk about the moment every high-performing leader eventually faces, when the drive that built your success starts costing you trust. We get into what it looks like to let God reshape not just your results, but how you get them. ⸻ ⏱️ Episode Highlights [01:09] – The Harder Truth: Once the mask comes off, you have to deal with what's underneath. [02:56] – "I Don't Accept Excuses": Preston's early leadership style, and the team member who walked. [03:52] – The Kid Who Started It All: Junior high, five foot two, chased home, where the walls began. [08:40] – Meet Clay Scroggins: Pastor turned speaker, author of How to Lead When You're Not in Charge. [11:13] – Crying Over a Spreadsheet: The dashboard full of red that triggered a crisis of the soul. [16:55] – Looking Inward: Why "what's wrong with them" is the wrong question. [23:03] – The Seeds of Failure: Why success, not failure, is when your "how" matters most. [26:57] – "What's It Like to Be on the Other Side of Me?": The question every results-driven leader needs to ask. [34:42] – The Saul to Paul Shift: Why formation doesn't kill what performance built, it redeems it. ⸻ Links & Resources Mentioned • Discipled Leader Apprenticeship — prestonpoore.com • Discipled Leader Book — prestonpoore.com/books-by-preston • How is Greater Than What Book — prestonpoore.com/book • About Preston — prestonpoore.com/about-preston_poore • How to Lead When You're Not in Charge Book - clayscroggins.com/how-to-lead-when-youre-not-in-charge • Book - The Leadership Journey (Jim Quess, mentioned) __________ Connect With Me LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/prestonpoore Facebook: facebook.com/PoorePreston Instagram: instagram.com/prestonpoore1 ⸻ Closing Thoughts If today's episode hit home, share it with someone who needs to hear it. Like it, comment, leave a review, it helps more people find the show, and quite honestly, it reminds me I'm not just talking to myself in here. Peace out. Be a rock star.