The Kinderhook Plates - A Complete History | Ep. 1716 | LDS Discussions Ep. 33

Did Joseph Smith have another shot at translating ancient scripture, or is it just rumor? Mike, Nemo and John take a look at the Kinderhook Plates. What were they? Did Joseph Smith try to translate them, and what was the result? As usual, we dive into the apologetics around multiple scenarios and why they are each attractive to differing views. LDS Discussions Playlist:    • Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | Ep. 15...   Timecodes: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:05:55 What are the Kinderhook Plates? 00:14:00 The Kinderhook Plates generated excitement among early Mormons 00:21:10 The problem for the Kinderhook plates 00:24:05 The timeline of the Kinderhook Plates 00:33:20 The Times and Seasons proclaims the Kinderhook Plates will prove the Book of Mormon 00:36:15 Apostle Parley Pratt compares the Kinderhook Plates to the Book of Abraham 00:39:50 The Nauvoo Neighbor Publishes the Facsimiles 00:43:00 The Times and Seasons connects the Book of Mormon and Kinderhook Plates 00:44:00 Wilbur Fugate claims the Kinderhook Plates are a fraud 00:49:05 B.H. Roberts declares the hoaxers are the real hoax 00:54:10 The Improvement Era affirms the Church’s stance on the Kinderhook Plates 00:55:50 The Improvement Era, continued 00:59:40 B.H. Roberts converts Joseph’s account to the First Person 01:04:50 Commentary on the Book of Mormon confirms the Kinderhook Plates 01:09:05 The BYU Archeological Society doubles down 01:20:45 Apostle Mark E. Peterson affirms the Kinderhook Plates 01:23:30 Science proves the Kinderhook Plates are indeed a host 01:27:30 The church immediately distances itself from the Kinderhook Plates 01:34:30 Questioning William Clayton’s journal 01:36:03 Throwing William Clayton under the bus 01:38:20 The absurdity of questioning William Clayton’s journal 01:43:00 The connections between the Kinderhook Plates and the GAEL 01:44:20 The massive implications for FAIR’s Kinderhook apologetics 01:47:35 The Kinderhook Plates cement Joseph Smith’s incorrect translations 01:50:20 Why didn’t Joseph Smith translate the rest of the Kinderhook Plates? 01:55:45 The Kinderhook Plates expose Joseph Smith’s lack of discernment 01:58:30 Joseph Smith got yet another chance to prove himself a prophet 02:04:00 Conclusion on the Kinderhook Plates Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast... ‎ LDS Discussions Playlist:    • Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | Ep. 15...   ABOUT US: Mormon Stories Podcast is the longest-running and most successful podcast in Mormonism - hosted by Dr. John Dehlin. At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We also occasionally interview scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1) Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology, 2) Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis, and 3) Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions. Mormon Stories Podcast is a product of the Open Stories Foundation - a 501c3 non-profit dedicated to supporting Mormons in religious transition. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?d... Patreon:   / mormonstories   Amazon Smile: Be sure to select “Mormon Stories” website: https://smile.amazon.com app: https://amz.run/5r2M Our Platforms: Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes Patreon:   / mormonstories   Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7d... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Instagram:   / mormstories   TikTok:   / mormonstoriespodcast   Discord:   / discord   Contact us: [email protected] PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 #MormonStories #LDSDiscussions #Kinderhookplates