The Heart And The Cost Of Shepherding God’s People — VOUS Pastors Assembly Panel

This week on Mature Me, Rich and DawnCheré host a panel from Pastors Assembly—VOUS Church’s two-day gathering created to equip pastors with practical tools, spiritual refreshment, and renewed vision for the long road of ministry. They’re joined by Joel Tudman, Dave Niblock, and Mariah McManus Goss for a conversation on the heart and cost of shepherding God’s people. Together, they explore the relational side of calling and the daily disciplines that shape leaders. The panel dives into pastoring through seasons of grief, finding your voice, wrestling with God, and learning to declare truth over yourself. Wisdom flows through every moment: every pastor needs a pastor, timing is everything, and pastoring often means sitting, waiting, and being open-handed. This episode is a reminder that leadership in the Kingdom begins with walking closely with Jesus, carrying His heart, and extending the grace you’ve been given. Don’t miss this powerful conversation—watch now 🔗 Stay tuned to all of Rich’s latest content: https://www.richwilkersonjr.com Listen to this episode on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5irnf5x... Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Rich on Instagram:   / richwilkersonjr   Follow Rich on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@richwilkerson... 00:00 — Intro 05:10 — Daily Disciplines That Anchor Leaders 07:04 — Winning Publicly, Hurting at Home 07:26 — Car Prayers: Ongoing Talk With God 10:02 — Priorities, Parenting, and Discipline 12:05 — Identity Shapes Culture More Than Ideals 14:21 — Pastoring Reframed Through Loss & Grief 21:03 — Confidence Needs Encouragement and Pastors 24:02 — Obedience Over Confidence in Los Angeles 27:47 — Embrace Your Journey, Resist Hurry 31:52 — First to Follow: Real Leadership 34:03 — Timing, Counsel, and Peaceful Transitions 42:24 — God Is In This, Here Now