The Courage To Change w/Holly Wagner| Joyce Meyer's Talk It Out Podcast | Episode 187

No matter where we are in life, change is the only constant—so how will we respond to it? Whether it’s in your family, your job, your church, or your health (or any other number of factors!), we all have our own relationship with change, and this episode exists to help you make it better than ever. Join Joyce, Ginger, Erin, and Holly Wagner for a Girls’ Night In chat that will help you handle change with grace, keep growing, and find joy in each new season as it unfolds. 00:00 Today’s Talk It Out episode dives deep into The Courage to Change with Joyce Meyer and Holly Wagner, showing how joy and grief can coexist in the same moment. 01:41 Joyce reminds us real growth takes courage—change isn’t easy, but with God’s help, it’s possible and powerful. 04:31 Holly shares that normalizing change frees us from fearing it—because resisting change only keeps us stuck in misery. 05:35 Erin confesses that trying to anticipate change creates anxiety—trusting God instead of trying to control the unknown brings peace. 06:28 Holly opens up about her cancer diagnosis and how the changes she resisted ended up strengthening her body and faith. 07:26 Holly’s hardest change—handing over her church after 35 years—taught her that it’s okay to grieve and still have joy at the same time. 09:16 Joyce explains how even wanted changes can hurt because your soul—your mind, will, and emotions—stay tied to what you left behind. 11:02 Ginger shares how unexpected loss and caring for aging parents forced her to trust God through pain she didn’t choose. 11:53 Joyce and the group discuss how to know when the “grace has lifted”—when peace and desire fade, God may be signaling it’s time to move on. 16:41 Holly closes with wisdom: we’re all “interim” in this life—every role, job, and season is temporary—so hold things loosely and let God lead your next chapter. – – – – – – – Follow Joyce: WEBSITE: https://joycemeyer.org FACEBOOK:   / joycemeyerministries   INSTAGRAM:   / joycemeyer   X (Formerly Twitter): https://www.x.com/JoyceMeyer/ – – – – – – – Joyce Meyer, one of the world’s leading practical Bible teachers and New York Times best-selling author, shares encouragement and advice to help us enjoy our daily lives. With a heart to share Christ and love people, Joyce’s messages help people in all walks of life to grow in their faith, learn to study the Bible, find healing from the wounds of life, get answers to life’s questions and encounter the love of God in a powerful way. ---------------- Real life, real friends, no pretense… welcome to Talk It Out! Join Joyce Meyer, Ginger Stache, Erin Cluley, and their guests, as they talk out the stuff of everyday faith. It’s as real as it gets. Watch/Listen to new episodes every Tuesday! For the latest from Joyce Meyer, visit https://joycemeyer.org or download the Joyce Meyer Ministries App. Meet the girls of Talk It Out, visit https://joycemeyer.org/TalkItOut #JoyceMeyer#TalkItOutPodcast